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FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho – Liverpool FC

We wish to offer clarity as regards our position on a possible transfer of Philippe Coutinho.

 The club’s definitive stance is that no offers for Philippe will be considered and he will remain a member of Liverpool Football Club when the summer window closes.

Source: FSG statement on Philippe Coutinho – Liverpool FC

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  • anonymous98345
  • anonymous98345

    hey onyx, you were telling people like me who were nervous about Phil that it was all bullshit.

    • C American Con

      He’s still correct. It is all bullshit. The whole world is a big pile of bullshit.

  • anonymous98345

    So presumably, he won’t play in UCL?

  • anonymous98345

    So was the back injury real? Makes me cynical

    • gegenpressing

      Probably a reason to keep him away from the squad and make sure that the media don’t fan the flames…Have to keep him on ice till the transfer window closes…Hopefully his relationship with the manager isn’t unrepairable by then, considering some of the stories that have started coming out…

      • anonymous98345

        Yeah it is getting ugly fast – at least on the gossip front, but what is true or not, who knows?
        But we do have a great professional manager who has dealt with selling players before and so we should be confident that Klopp can steer us through this saga

        • gegenpressing

          Yeah and a manager wholeheartedly backed by the club management and fans…He’ll handle it…

    • Ian96

      Even if he played in the qualifiers he could still play in Europe for Barca. The qualifiers don’t count.

      • anonymous98345

        Thanks didn’t know that

        • Ian96

          The qualifiers don’t count in the Champions league proper, so it wouldn’t matter if he played or not.

          • anonymous98345

            thanks.

            so do you think he will play then? i am betting he won’t

          • Ian96

            He has a back injury, so no he won’t play.

  • Tbone187

    If he’s put in a request, he needs to go then! Simple as. I can’t believe it but LFC will go on…my support ends at an official transfer request.

    • Stromdiddily

      Torn on this…normally I’m in agreement but he hasn’t given us much time to bring someone else in

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        yeah, cos the neymar situation happened late. that’s why this is happening.

    • gegenpressing

      Not that easy though…Other players that have put in transfer requests include Mahrez, VVD…If you sell under these circumstances, it reduces the value of the player (that’s Barca’s aim in getting the player to agitate)…He will leave on our terms when w say it is alright….

  • gegenpressing

    Reports now saying that Couts has been frustrated with his role in the team and not happy with Klopp. Eff this…Tired of the transfer window already

    • Tbone187

      Sky saying he put in a request.

    • RedNeve

      That came from a ‘Family Member’ I think mate. There’ll be all kinds of bollocks spouted now you watch.

      • gegenpressing

        Same family member that told them of the transfer request before it went out to the club…Yeah, all level of bollocks to arm-twist FSG into selling him and cause a rift with the manager….Don’t think it’ll work though but it’ll make the fanbase hate him…

  • Koma

    I had a dream. Moreno has taken over the midfield. At the end of the season, everybody is saying ‘who Phil?’, giving Moreno the Player of the season award.

  • anonymous98345

    So what’s this story about one of phil’s family members sending a statement to sky sports? Seems like garbage to me.

  • Delhi Belhi

    Controversial opinion, but now that couts is serious enough to leave and refusing to play, I would not be against the idea of selling him for around 130m and then throw the kitchen sink at soton and leipzig for vvd and keita. I mean like serious bids in the region of 80-90m. Make an offer they cant refuse.

    • gegenpressing

      Couts hasn’t refused to play- unless there has been an update. He’s injured (which may or may not be bogus). Those teams (S’ton and Leipzig) also haven’t complained that we haven’t offered what they value the player at, they have said they aren’t selling. Would be naive to sell Couts in the hope that we can somehow persuade those teams to sell…If we bring those players in first, then we can consider selling Couts…Ambitious teams don’t sell their best players this late in the transfer window without replacements…If we sell Couts now, we will end up panicking and replacing with overpriced mediocre players when the teams refuse to release the players we really want…

      • Delhi Belhi

        You believe he really has a bad back? This is as good as refusing to play. Every player has a price. I don’t believe for one second soton would reject a bid in the region of 80m. Same for keita with bid close to 90-100m.

        • gegenpressing

          Whether he has a bad back or not is immaterial (I wouldn’t even play him right now if he was completely fit as his mind is bound to be muddled). What you believe Southampton would reject also doesn’t really matter as there are other reasons besides money on when you would want to lose your best player and why. I know that supporters like to believe that all you have to do is offer more money and it will happen. With Leipzig, the co-owner (who is worth more than 6 billion) has said he’s not going. Every player has a price but not every club has to take a particular amount at a particular point in time…

      • special siren

        It’s quite funny that all players linked with moves away, coutinho, van dijk, sanchez off the top of my head, have all come down with injuries all of a sudden.

        • gegenpressing

          Yeah, and they are all injuries that can’t be tested or scanned for. In my opinion, it’s just the club’s way of keeping them away from other players and the matchday squad without having to suspend them and it ensures that the media don’t make a bigger story. Maybe the next transfer request will be from Alexis…

          • special siren

            I was thinking that about sanchez earlier. He’s next.

      • C American Con

        Nobody is selling.

  • Quicky Zebra

    With all the doom and gloom, people forget that we now have Milner back in midfield. #NewSigning

    • gegenpressing

      Think the Milner thing is that Klopp has decided that is the only way he plays Moreno…It’s a good option as playing Milner left sided midfield means he can always cover if Moreno bombs on…There will be enough games that Milner is a decent enough option for us in midfield and that way, we can give some of our other players a break…

      • Riiseandshine

        Don’t even talk about milner in midfield like it’s a thing

        • gegenpressing

          I think it’s a thing and I don’t even think it is a bad thing…I would rather see him there than as a LB and I think he would be the perfect player to play with Moreno…The important thing is to know which teams to do it against..Maybe on the tough aways to the crap group stage teams in the CL…Important to rotate (or bring him on a s a sub) to give our starters a rest…We are paying him 140k a week…He might as well do something…

      • Quicky Zebra

        Not sure if Milner is the option against the bus parkers. On another note, not sure if Couts would be able to motivate himself after this debacle. The relationship between him and the fans won’t be the same anymore if he stays.

        • gegenpressing

          Suarez was able to make it work…Besides, it’s a world cup year…As for Milner, he’s not on our first team but think he can be a decent enough squad option (our rivals have people like Yaya, Carrick getting games). If not to start, then to sub on when we have decent control of the game to give the starters a break…Not every player has to be elite to make an effective team…We’ll worry about upgrading him in a future window (his contract is so large that there’s no chance we are moving him on anyway)

        • He did get quite a few assists from midfield the season before last if I remember correctly. He can whip in a great cross from the right which would be handy against bus parkers.

          • gegenpressing

            Played midfield right up to the Europa final…Not saying it is ideal but disagree that there are no teams against which he would be useful for us there…He is on 140kpw and Klopp loves him…We’ll find a way to make use of him…

    • anonymous98345

      I hope I am supposed to read that sarcastically. If not, it is going to be a rough season.

  • Bjorn

    Let’s face it, we are the perfect stepping stone club. Hoorah..

    • MentalAndBookmarked

      lots of clubs are stepping stone clubs to barca/RM .

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        Barca a steppingstone to PSG

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          ha ha!

    • gegenpressing

      Even United in their prime had to sell Ronaldo…Clubs sell, players move- it happens…The important thing for a club is to prepare for it and pick the time that best suits you…

  • gegenpressing

    With the way things are going, we REALLY need to make sure we are first in line when Naby’s release clause kicks in…

    • As of now I want us to milk every last penny of that Neymar money n splash it on Keita n vvd

    • MentalAndBookmarked

      I’m not holding out any hope that we get Keita next summer. I think there will be too many suitors.

      • gegenpressing

        Yeah but there is always the option of offering a HUGE sign on bonus and presenting the player with a hard to refuse offer (Dortmund got Dembele despite the fact that we offered more for him). The important thing is to lay the groundwork early. We’ll see. Think Klopp knows what he is doing…

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          we’ll try but not sure about swimming against the tide.

      • Riiseandshine

        I won’t be holding my breath

        • gegenpressing

          Never a good idea to hold your breath for anything you can’t control (unless you are under water)

      • anonymous98345

        I dont know much about the release clause but what happens if half a dozen teams coming calling to Leipzig and all trigger the release? Keita just goes wherever he wants? Maybe our attempts this summer will payoff but maybe not. Feels like its a one in a million chance that we get him.
        (Insert dumb and dumber video here)

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          yep, it’s up to him which club he chooses.
          And there might be a complication in that it may just be a RC for a domestic club, not apply to other clubs, in which case it remains a bidding war and what Leipzig want to do.

          Bayern are likely to come in and use the RC and give him a nice big signing on fee cos they “only” paid £48m!

          • gegenpressing

            Think Leipzig have said the release clause is for all clubs…

          • gegenpressing

            Think Leipzig have said the release clause is for all clubs…

          • anonymous98345

            Thanks I didn’t know about the domestic league angle. Our only hope is that we bought goodwill with Keita for trying to get him this summer but that might not be enough.
            Only 48m hey? World of transfers is mad money

        • gegenpressing

          The triggering of the release clause just gives you permission to talk to the player (something that only parent clubs are normally allowed to do)…You still have to agree terms with the player and the player is free to go wherever they choose…

          • anonymous98345

            Thanks for the clearing that up.

    • Quicky Zebra

      Remember when we wanted to wait for Dahoud last season? Ended up at dortmund. FSG really made a mess appointing Edwards.

      • gegenpressing

        We didn’t wait for Dahoud though…We filled up the position with our second (or third) choice- Gini

        • Riiseandshine

          Keita was our first choice over Dahoud…

  • Brighton Red

    in a way this window might be good for football fans in the long term if clubs are actually able to make contracts mean something ~ of course I want VVD but I also want Couts and we can’t have it both ways can we ~ and players can’t down tools if they want to be considered for the next world cup.

    • gegenpressing

      Think it changes the nature of contracts further down…Players will want shorter contracts and will have no qualms about running it down..agents will demand release clauses…Clubs will be less inclined to do business with each other unless release clause triggered…Players will be more inclined to go to clubs that have a history of selling…

      • Brighton Red

        what would all the top players do if all the big clubs said 5 year contract with £XXXXX release clause applicable after (say ) 3 years would all those players say bollocks to you I’m off to play in the championship ??

        • gegenpressing

          Each club wants to market itself as the place to be for top young prospects so will never agree as it is competitive…We just have to stick to our guns and sell when it most suits us..>Even the big clubs sell, the difference is that they are not forced to and get to pick the time…

          • Brighton Red

            I don’t know how the future will pan out ~ depends on who comes in to back the clubs I suppose ~ take my local club Brighton ~ suppose someone in China thought it a good bet and invested billions and blew away Chelsea and the Mancs and became the new superpower in EPL ~ unlikely but if I was a big club today I might be inclined to form a cartel to maintain my position just in case !!

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            who owns it now anyhow?

          • Brighton Red

            Tony Bloom, afaik he has invested quarter of a billion on ground, best training facilities in europe (apparently) and players but he is really a fan who wants to be on the terraces and is looking to sell.

          • gegenpressing

            Yeah, I read about him. Lovely story. The stadium looks fantastic as well…Hope Chris Houghton can do something significant this season (he seems a nice man)…Would really love them to stay up…

          • Brighton Red

            you’re not alone there !!

          • gegenpressing

            Ahh, forgot that you were also a Brighton fan…How does it feel with the local fanbase now that you are in the prem? I love stories like that…Hope it leads to accelerated development of the community…

            Think the big clubs are going to end up with some kind of “agreement”…They are the real pull of the PL and will demand more at some point…That’s still quite far off though…

          • Brighton Red

            I haven’t been since they left the old goldstone ground years ago but it’s nice for the local fans to have a bit of success, they’ve gone close several times and have got there at last ~ be nice to see them stay up but it’ll be a hard job ~ still they’ve got a nice easy starter at home to Man City ( I hope their back four is still getting to know each other )

          • gegenpressing

            Saw interviews with members of the community and they seemed chuffed to bits to be in the PL…As long as they don’t get a pasting from City, no harm done…There are more than enough average teams to get points from…Wish there were more supporters of other teams as well to learn from- I love hearing stories of the smaller teams and the local impact of having a team in the PL (all the jobs and development it creates in the local economy). Think that’s a lot more important than who’s putting in a transfer request as it directly affects peoples lives…

          • Brighton Red

            yes it really is a big deal and it means so much ‘ to be in the big time ‘ as it were, there was a program on sky about them and you know now that every weekend on Gillette Soccer Saturday you’ll hear Thommo, Merse and co talk about them, it’s just run of the mill for some clubs but for Brighton fans it’ll be a totally different experience ~ you can just imagine what it’ll mean to some 10 year olds ~ it may only last a year but if so the parachute payments should help them get back and gradually establish themselves ~ the potential catchment area for fans is pretty big ~ be a good investment ~ wonder if any Chinese investors look at this site……………………………………. 😉

          • gegenpressing

            Plus the exposure the club gets worldwide and the impact it has on academies and recruitment…There is a pride in supporting your team right through the hard times to the big stage…And I am glad that the ownership and the management seem on the same page about doing what is best for the club and community…The Huddersfield owner is another that seems like a good guy and fan…Would rather have those sorts in the PL than money-grubbing owners interested in a vanity project…Chinese investors can be hit and miss though…For every AC Milan, there are others that are not what they say they are and will leave things in a poor state…Sometimes, what you know is better and the grass isn’t greener…

          • Brighton Red

            I agree about the owners, a local man with the club’s welfare at heart is by far the best option but money is killing football now, high transfers and wages mean high ticket prices ~ I used to pay £40 for a season ticket to watch 3rd/4th division football on the old uncovered east terrace down here ( lovely in the wind and rain ) it wasn’t the greatest at times but it didn’t mean there weren’t some exciting games ~ oh for the old days …………………..

          • gegenpressing

            I understand your points…Think teams like Swansea (before the sale) and Southampton have shown that there is still a way to do it in terms of local ownership and still getting in young, hungry players that play attractive football..

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        not necessarily, many players will want the security of a long-term contract. also clubs will be reluctant to shell out for massive transfer fees without the guarantee of a decent interval of time to amortize over the players contract.

        I think European football needs a healthy dose of rationality and structure when it comes to transfers. Right now it’s the wild Wild West and with the fees getting ridiculous perhaps it’s best if all of these clubs just so no to the players wanting to leave. As an American, the transfer market is the one thing about football that drives me the most nuts.

        • gegenpressing

          Think that security of long-term contracts is being exchanged for the mobility of shorter term deals (plus sign on fees when leaving on a free)…Think only the biggest clubs will get players long term… Agree about it being the Wild West…The whole transfer thing just seems like a bubble that is bound to burst at some point…

          • herrdoktorprofessor

            yes. my point is that different players will have different preferences. The most in-demand players will want short contracts at least in their prime. However, it will also mean that clubs will be less likely to invest in you and academy players if they have no hope of recouping that investment.

          • gegenpressing

            If more and more players are prepared to run down their contracts and wont sign new deals, that will drastically change the calculations of most clubs….This transfer window seems like the beginning of something…Just not sure what yet…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            and it’s peculiar because of the neymar situation of him being given the money [by Qatar] to buy out his own contract.
            Normally they wouldn’t have this money to spend on couts. Next summer won’t be the same.

          • gegenpressing

            Think that’s the format for buyout in La Liga…A player has to buy out their own contract (of course the prospective club gives them the money)

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            though psg didn’t give him the money, the qatar govt did. PSG will be signing him on a free to deal with FFP!

          • gegenpressing

            Yeah, pretty sure their lawyers have been poring over FFP with a fine-toothed comb and they have come up with a way to circumvent it…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            Citeh have a third of their wages on the parent company’s books.

          • gegenpressing

            Yeah…heard on their administrative staff (coaches, manager) are “employed” by another company

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            more than that. near £100m ! that’s a LOT of administration!

          • gegenpressing

            Will be interesting to see what the FFP accountants make of it when the 3 year accounting period is assessed next year…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            we know what SHOULD happen….

  • Koma

    Never expected Phil to give a transfer request. Let’s see how big are fsg balls!!

    • gegenpressing

      Knew the Barca thing would weigh heavy on his mind as it is his dream…His fear is that they will fill the position with someone else and his opportunity will be gone…

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        hopefully. like most kids these days Coutinho and VVD need to learn that can’t always get what they want.

        • gegenpressing

          Yup…Think it’s more the agents that need to learn…This is the summer of clubs asserting their power over the players…

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        they only have this money because of neymar’s sale. if they spend it they won’t beable to buy couts next summer.

        • gegenpressing

          They have to spend it- for political reasons as well as a backlash of the hurt that they Neymar move caused…If they don’t, their fans will call for someone’s head…

  • We survived much bigger loses .. I trust Klopp to find solutions .. never trust a south American player n don’t get attached to these players..

    • MentalAndBookmarked

      post of the day for me.

      And I really trust Klopp to solve the problems that come up, even if he needs more transfer windows to do it (which he does). It’s his marque as far as I can see.
      I knew this txfer window was going to be a bitch!

    • Koma

      Thing is such actions do trigger a chain reaction. If Next year Bobby would be the best player, his head will also be turned to PSG, barca or Madrid. So don’t buy South American players. Best solution. :p

      • gegenpressing

        Or make them know that you will hold them to their contracts so only the ones that can handle it will come…

        • Koma

          Yeah so thats why it’s a test for fsg and klopp. How we will react now.

      • globalcockup

        no worries Solankie will be knocking them in like Harry Kane by then.

    • gegenpressing

      Agreed…It’s just that if he goes without replacements in, it sets us back by a bit…Either way, we will be fine….

      • We never get break from this vicious cycle.. I believe only solution is to trust our academy boys n develop them

        • gegenpressing

          Even Academy players leave though….Gerrard was sorely tempted and Solanke just left Chelsea’s academy…

          • Chelsea gave raw deal to dom n Stevie suppressed the temptations n listened to his heart ..

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            only cos he’s local though.

          • Yup finding local gems will be key

          • Quicky Zebra

            But then you also have barkley wanting to leave.. so 1 club man like stevie is a rare breed nowadays

          • He wouldn’t if he played for us. Everton is shite

          • Quicky Zebra

            I know that. The point is, once they perform well in several games, their heads get turned either by wage increase or in couts case, the dream of playing for Barca/Real.

          • Different btwn European n south American players “all sa players dream Spain move but not all European players want to play for Barca r Madrid”

  • globalcockup

    I knew when I saw his body language in the Asia cup he wanted to go. Just give us one more season lad

    • gegenpressing

      Certainly a lot for young Phil to think about…Hope he and his family aren’t pelted when they take a walk in town…

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        I think the city has generally been pretty good about that sort of thing. fortunately people have busy lives.

        • gegenpressing

          Yeah and most people aren’t dicks…The Suarez thing also shows that most of these relationships can be rehabilitated (helps if the player doesn’t go to a rival)

  • herrdoktorprofessor

    If RBL, Soton, Arsenal, and seemingly everyone else under the sun get’s to say no go fuck yourself we aren’t selling then surely we also get to to do likewise.

    Phil has been a model professional during his time at LFC and has a great relationship with the fans. He is seriously putting that reputation at risk, and may have damaged it irreparably already. All so he can play understudy to Iniesta and take his position in a year or 3?

    FUCK PHIL’S AGENT! FUCK BARCA!

    • Quicky Zebra

      He changed his agent to Joorabchian if im not wrong.. the guy who co owns mascherano and tevez back then.

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        both of whom are unbareable cunts

    • gegenpressing

      He would have been told that FSG would never release him if he does the nice guy bit and that Barca might move on (see Eriksen to Barca stories today). Pretty sure Barca will play him enough if he goes for £100 million. That isn’t our problem though…

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        if’s he’s willing to ruin his legacy at the club to try and force a move then the club should be equally willing to destroy that relationship and hold his career hostage to hold him for at least another year. He drew first blood and LFC hold all of the cards. Honestly they could let him rot with the reserves for the next 5 years just to prove they aren’t to be fucked with. That won’t happen because cooler heads will prevail. He’ll stay another year and next summer barca can come back with £130+ million for him.

        • gegenpressing

          I have a sneaky suspicion that FSG/LFC had an informal agreement with him/his agents to release him this year if Barca come in for him(which is why he signed the 5 year contract). However, we have not been able to secure top targets (despite having enough money) and we are in the CL so we are playing hardball…Think at the end, they will agree another year for a fixed price (probably about 100 mil)

    • MentalAndBookmarked

      That’s all we can do. hold him for this season (talk to him and win him over), and make plans for next summer (or before if we can).

      Next up , watford! let’s do this guys.

      • globalcockup

        I think klopp will have a word to lose him this season would be a massive blow

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          will be very annoying if his back problem persists through the season.

          • herrdoktorprofessor

            Club should tell him that every match he misses raises the price for Barca by £5million.

          • gegenpressing

            The back problem is linked to the transfer window…once it shuts, he will be fine especially in a world cup year…We’ll probably get one more season out of him…

      • gegenpressing

        Yup….I just want the focus back on the match and for the players on the pitch to shine…

  • MentalAndBookmarked

    Joe, permission to be a dickhead please?

    • Just go for it, I’m sure Joe will forgive you. I’m intrigued to see how much of a dickhead you can be 😀

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        clearly you’ve never seen me chat up a girl then.

        • Chat up a girl or negotiate a deal? ;p

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            It’s always a matter of price – apparently me making a fool of myself isn’t of much value….

          • Except here 🙂

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            I have found my spiritual home!

    • Ash

      I vote in favour of you being a dickhead. I want to see where this goes. It’s like a new transfer story 😉

      • Quicky Zebra

        Hear hear

    • herrdoktorprofessor

      It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        psml

    • Stromdiddily

      Subscribed

    • Koma

      I think we should sign a copy for today. Let us be dick heads. If we are in majority enough, Joe would be forced to agree.

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        I think Joe should join us!

    • SuarezSticksIt2U_Again

      You’ve never asked before so why start now?

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        my heart warms…

        • SuarezSticksIt2U_Again

          I was joking mate……

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            🙂

  • herrdoktorprofessor

    Conflicting reports on the transfer request.
    Barca can just fuck the fuck right off. Just because Neymar fucked them in the ass it’s not our problem.

    Double your £90M offer or you are wasting your time.

    • ash2k83

      No, the last report about 20-30 mins ago was he did send a request in by email just after 1pm.

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        so much for the Phil won’t force a move BS.

        • gegenpressing

          We all knew he wanted to go and his agents would have advised that this was his best chance of being released this summer…Probably didn’t want to wait till next year now that his opportunity was within reach…Won’t work though

        • Quicky Zebra

          Clubs won’t bid if the player’s agent won’t encourage the bid. LFC just need to be a dick like Leipzig did to us.

          • gegenpressing

            Oh, If there is one thing I trust FSG to do, it is to be dicks…

          • Quicky Zebra

            Hopefully towards Barca and not the Fans. They sell couts, they lose the fans.

          • gegenpressing

            Think at this point, they will rather lose money than sell…Like many really rich people, they hate to be bullied…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            That’s FSG’s ethos, they want to prove that they’re smarter than the average bear (which they are). That’s why they bought the club, no way you do it for money (which escapes the average supporter). They even said at the start, you don’t go into sport to make money.

            Trouble is they’re fighting on such an un level playing field and at the end of the day footy still requires skills whereas business is massively populated with dickheads with little ability. So being smart isn’t the be all and end all in footy.

          • gegenpressing

            Maybe they thought that FFP would make more of a difference to level the playing field…Would back them not to get played in this though and Barca trying to strong arm them will only make things worse for Couts…Like you said, they are smart guys and really love a good deal- better for Barca to try to appeal to that than bullying…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            ha ha!

    • gegenpressing

      Barca are making their problem everyone else’s problem…They will find that other clubs not willing to budge even though they have agreed terms with the players (welcome to our world). The subplot in this (which you won’t hear in most places) is that there is a guy that wants to challenge Bartomeu for president of Barca and so they need to deliver a marquee signing quick after the debacle of Neymar or they could be out on their asses….Expect them to become even more panicky as the window nears a close and no big transfers happen. Very likely they are going to put in some ridiculous bids or just waste the money on average talent….

      • Ash

        That’s what I like to hear. I read that subplot the other day too but as it was in the media not sure how true it is. They need to sign someone big but then if they throw all the Neymar money at someone the fans might then meltdown and say they’ve wasted millions.

        • gegenpressing

          It’s true…The guy (can’t remember his name) is trying to get the votes. Board meeting and elections likely in September. Barca board need big transfer to happen stat. High stakes game of poker being played and don’t expect any team to blink…

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          Bartomeu has overseen an incredibly mediocre transfer period over a number of seasons. Since Suarez really. They have all sorts of AMs, Andre Gomez, Denis Suarez, Turan and a few others aswell as losing players like Sanchez and Pedro.

          but their signings have either failed to step up or not given chances (or both) and meanwhile the defence and midfield to some extent has become weaker.

          Now losing neymar, he’s in serious trouble – also had he made the transfer before august he would have saved neymar’s loyalty bonus (30m euros) which they’ll now have to pay even if it’s via court action.

          The guy is toast. couts or no couts.

          • gegenpressing

            They went for the Real model (galacticos) and were not as good at it (plus where Real really excels is in the cheaper transfers that go on to be stars for them). Their major advantage (La Masia) has pretty much been abandoned. Messi is aging and they are unlikely to build a competitive team (against Real’s dominance) before he gets too old…They have major problems to sort out…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            absolutely. they were close this season (3pts?) but it hid some very poor results and those 2 boys up front are not getting any younger – it won’t take much of a drop in form to lose that 5% that makes all the difference to those players.

            Phil would be mad going there right now, the next 2 years are likely to be very turbulent and as you say Madrid are in an untouchable place right now. They are amazing to watch, not as fast and lithe as Pep’s barca but incredibly professional. Their next problem will be replacing Modric but I don’t think they’ll find it that hard to do.

          • gegenpressing

            It seemed close (3pts) but it really wasn’t. They simply rallied late-on (especially with their Clasico victory) to make it respectable. Even in the CL, they should have gone out out PSG and Neymar carried them on his back to take them through (pretty sure that’s when he decided to leave after Messi still got the accolades). Real has pretty much an outstanding prospect waiting in the wings to take over from each of their aging stars whereas Barca has no plan (or not a good one) for when the current crop can’t go on…That and the fact that money doesn’t seem to take you as far anymore…They are in for a major rebuild soon…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            who do they have to replace Modric?

          • gegenpressing

            Kovacic and Ceballos not bad shouts even though they are not exactly the same type of player…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            always thought we should have gone in for Kovacic when he was in Italy.

          • gegenpressing

            Madrid locks down the players they want early (even though the actual move might come later)…Don’t think he was as available as people thought…

          • Brighton Red

            how is that midfield and defence going to cope now the MSN line up isn’t there to keep the pressure off I wonder ~ I’ve always liked Barca and the style of football they played but I think that era is over and they are fucked no matter who they get in. They should probably be looking at decent defenders first I’d have thought, how about VVD ?? maybe we could do some kind of swap invoving him in December after we’ve got Keita from RBL.

          • gegenpressing

            The MSN papered over a lot of cracks and now is the time for Barca to build a proper team…Sad thing is they don’t have a manager like Guardiola with a clear vision of the future…Think Bartomeu will cock it up…

            They can’t afford VVD and he is not great for PR so they won’t do it…

    • RedNeve

      Well said!!

  • Hey Phil, I’ll tell you something, why don’t you just fuck off then? You’re a one-trick pony that only became our ‘star’ player by default because our better ones left.

    Anyway, ho hum. Real football tomorrow.

    • gegenpressing

      Lol…no need to bash him. We’ll see more and more of this. Alexis Sanchez has an “abdominal strain” and I expect his transfer request imminently…Clubs are going to function in their own interest though regardless

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        This is the summer of ignoring transfer requests it seems!

        • gegenpressing

          Yup soon to be followed by the winter of top players signing new contracts with explicit release clauses…

      • Oh, I’m not really bashing him (well, maybe a little bit ;p). Just a bit weary of transfer windows 🙂

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          ditto

        • gegenpressing

          The FA/UEFA really need to revisit the fact that transfer windows should close before the season starts…If LFC falter tomorrow, the fanbase will hang Phil out to dry…The timing of this is rather bad though I can’t think of any other ideal time…

  • MentalAndBookmarked

    well, double fuck!

    • Is Klopp leaving too?

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        ha! why not kick the other nut too!

        • Ha Breaking news, FSG are selling LFC to Man U…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            I don’t think it can be leveraged to the extent Utd were!

            Maybe FSG should have done that to bring in money (debt) and just buy superstars on kickass wages from the start – future be damned!

    • gegenpressing

      what now?

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        Watford!

        Let’s try some actual footy and fuck the txfer crap off. Hope to see a response off he boyz tomorrow especially as Couts isn’t in the squad anyhow.

        • gegenpressing

          Have they done something else? Are Andre Gray and their Brazillian wonderkid in line to start?

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            no idea, not got around to the previews yet.

          • gegenpressing

            Really hope we go and destroy them tomorrow so the fanbase has something else to focus on…I’m like a kid the night before Christmas- Can’t wait…

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            can’t see it being a destruction. Silva plays tight and compact so it’ll need Mane & Salah to come to the party, and some clever play from Bobby too.

          • gegenpressing

            Depends on when we get the first goal- a goal in the first 10 mins and it could be destruction…Didn’t we beat them 6-1 last season when all our players we fit and firing?

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            true, they thought they could play footy against us – probably after beating us 3-0 the previous season.

          • gegenpressing

            Lol…could go any way…players/Klopp might want to prove a point after the Coutinho distraction…Salah’s debut and I expect a goal each from him and mane…Hope we win early so Klopp can give them a rest in preparation for Hoffeinheim…3-0 at halftime and withdrawing them on 60 mins will do nicely…

  • Ash

    I hope this summer is the summer of standing firm.

    If Leipzig and Southampton can do it why should we bow to pressure.

    He must know Barca have been unreasonable with their timing and their offers so far.

  • gegenpressing

    One thing the transfer request does do is damage the relationship of the fanbase with Coutinho. No more talk of making him captain or building statues. Now he’s just an employee of the club and we expect him to do his job…

    • Ash

      The only hope is will he do his job or go looking again in January(if he’s still here).

      I hope the world cup year would make him do so but we’ll see. He can pull the fanbase back much like Gerrard did and that was worse back then when he nearly went to Chelsea.

      Just think he’d have been better doing this as a man and not e-mail. He could’ve taken his agent or dad to the meeting and submitted it there. The way he did it is no excuse.

      • gegenpressing

        Don’t think it matters how he does it really, for me. The important thing is he wants to go and is willing to put it in writing. Outcome is the same whether he hands it in in person, email or carrier pigeon…

        • Ash

          Agreed, outcome is it’s too late, maybe next year, knuckle down and get playing your football! 😉

          The fact we haven’t put a figure on him yet for Barca means we hold the cards. However, I can’t help but wonder if we had’ve put a figure on like Dortmund for Dembele they might’ve baulked and walked away.

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            FSG would have been lynched if they put a price on his head. Don’t think Klopp would have been too impressed either.

  • RedNeve

    Players and agents are doing what they want!! Fuck him!!
    Make him stay and if he pouts play him in the reserves until he honours his contract.

    • Quicky Zebra

      Our Fans are happy when Van Dijk does it but are losing it w Couts. Contract renewals are just tools for a high transfer fee.

      • herrdoktorprofessor

        I wasn’t happy when Van Dijk did it. I think it’s BS when players sign new long-term contracts without buyout clauses and then expect to leave a few months later as if that contract doesn’t exist. My position has always been we can and should try to buy VVD and Keita but players forcing these moves is Bullshit!

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          not sure about that. contracts are purely to maintain asset values for clubs. Individuals will always demand the right to work where they want – except if you’re in the forces and even then…….

          Normally (?) there’s an amount of money and circumstance that a bucket of cash makes it attractive to rip up the contract [club or sometimes player] but this summer is far from normal.

        • gegenpressing

          Think those long contracts are only signed because the clubs make clear that they will release said player once the dream club(s) come and that they need to protect value. All sorts of informal things get agreed but seems clubs are now willing to play hardball to hold on. Pretty sure now players will demand whatever agreements be part of the contracts and that release clauses are inserted…

    • gegenpressing

      He can’t pout for long- it’s a world cup year. Once transfer window closes, he’ll do his job- at least till January

  • Ash

    He sent the request by e-mail. Daren’t even do it face to face. That’s not a man, that’s a coward

    • gegenpressing

      Lol…no need to bash him…it’s the agents that do those things and its always been his dream to play for Barca. Problem is, we can’t sabotage our team to make him happy and especially not this late in the window without replacement

      • Ash

        Why not come into the office though and do it face to face? I don’t understand, he could listen to Edwards, Klopp, whoever and still hand it in.

        Fancy going home from training knowing you’re going to do it. It’s like knowing you’re going to leave your significant other but write a letter and leave it on the table or send a text and not speak face to face. Different scenario same context.

        • MentalAndBookmarked

          When I’ve resigned I’ve done it by email.

          • Ash

            Not me, Only if I’ve disliked my boss ha

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            It’s just at that point, there’s really no reason to sit across from each other anymore. Send the email, let him deal with HR, go order 50,000 pencils from stationary……

  • Ash

    Yes he’s asked to go, but it changes nothing.

    Barca do not want to spend the money it will realistically cost. He has no release clause. Why shouldn’t he do a Suarez? Give us one more year then go next summer. If he goes now with the season starting today I hope we rinse them for all they’re worth. And not in installments. all upfront or f**k off.

    • gegenpressing

      Especially in a world cup year when he has to play to be ready for Brazil team…

    • Quicky Zebra

      Say we hypothetically accepts a 150M offer, who should we replace couts with? Isn’t that what happened w the torres saga.. getting Carroll for 35M. FSG would be crazy to accept even if Barca offers all of neymar’s money.

      • Ash

        Personally I wouldn’t entertain any offer. Dortmund,Leipzig,Southampton, that I know of are a few to stand firm.

        One team caved but only because they had no option and that was Barca with Neymar. The release clause meant their hands were tied.

        Surely we mustve explained that they had 3 weeks where they didn’t bid and their next bid was below standard too.

      • MentalAndBookmarked

        Barca don’t have £150m.

        • Ash

          They do IF the Neymar money was upfront. Something tells me it wasn’t or they would’ve offered the £135m Dortmund stated or offered us over £100m

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            Something like 80m euros was spent bringing him in, so it’s not all profit.

        • Quicky Zebra

          They do. Neymar’s lawyer presented the cheque of 222m euro to Barca to break off the contract

  • Quicky Zebra
  • Quicky Zebra
    • gegenpressing

      Still doesn’t matter

      • Quicky Zebra

        What a load of distraction ahead of our game tomorrow

        • gegenpressing

          Yeah…the game is now almost an afterthought with the soap opera of the transfer window dominating

          • Quicky Zebra

            Now i understand why PSG was pissed of w Barca’s approach for Verrati. However PSG turned the table by buying Neymar. What a shambles this window is.

          • gegenpressing

            Barca putting pressure on the players by claiming to move on (see story today about them moving on to Eriksen). Same thing happening with Dembele and Dortmund. No ambitious team will move its top player on in August without replacement secured, transfer request or not…

          • Quicky Zebra

            Hopefully couts would give us 1 more season and by then we get a ready made replacement quick.

          • gegenpressing

            If possible, we should get the replacement(s) this window so they will have had a season to gel with the team

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            certainly won’t silence the doubters!

  • gegenpressing

    Theme of the summer: Every club holding on to its best players regardless of how much is being offered. There is a lot of money out there but limited top talent. If you cash in, it will be almost impossible to replace. Only release clauses guarantee movement. Expect next set of contracts at all levels to include release clauses.

  • NorseDweller

    Klopp standing firm and the owners backing him up is what we need. Bravo!

    I hope this now cures Coutinho’s back.

    • gegenpressing

      Coutinho’s back will remain in pain till the end of the transfer window. Even if he comes back, best not to include him to avoid causing a distraction for the other players

      • Dennis Chong

        Can we send him on as a 94th min sub vs Hoffenheim, even if he’s not physically present? He’ll lose his allure with Barca that way, at least for the next 12 months!!

        • gegenpressing

          Lol…make him cup tied? Savage

          • Dennis Chong

            Yup, whether you like it or not, you’re cup tied…… ruthless!!

          • special siren

            He wouldn’t be cup tied anyway bit the little shite would probably refuse to play.

          • Dennis Chong

            He could refuse to play, but we can still send him on as a sub in the 94th min even though he’s nowhere near the pitch….. and bang, that’s it, kiddo, you’re cup tied!

        • NorseDweller

          Tongue in cheek, but there’s some gravity to it. I always thought August 15 would be a critical date in this saga as it brings with it involvement in the Champions League. I may have overthought that as merely being named in the squad to face Hoffenheim might be sufficient to render him cup-tied. Strong as the Barça allure is, bringing in a potential Neymar replacement who’s cup-tied is rather Mickey Mouse. I hope Klopp makes a statement by including Coutinho in the match day squad for the first leg, regardless of back issues.

          • MentalAndBookmarked

            not cup tied. different squad has to be submitted for group stages.

          • NorseDweller

            Darn!

      • NorseDweller

        I tend to agree. What’s needed, ironically, is an egg-on-face type statement from Barça that indicates they are ending pursuit this transfer window.

        I doubt Klopp’s man management skills will have faced much harder tests than what’s been going on since the back strain was revealed. I am glad Coutinho’s new contract put him at the very top of the food pyramid and that it does not feature a release clause.

  • RedNeve

    Fair play to FSG though fellas. We needed them to back up Klopp and they have with a pretty categoric statement.

    • Delhi Belhi

      This means nothing yet. I’m not congratulating anyone just now.

      • RedNeve

        It’s as categoric as it gets mate. They’ll look ridiculous if they renege on that.

  • Riiseandshine

    Jesus Christ….laughable stuff. He hasn’t handed in transfer request. Melissa Reddy is my source, who’s sky sports’ source? Anyway even if he did. Fuck him, he’s not for sale…just like van dijk and Keita

    • gegenpressing

      Has probably handed one in (or intends to) but it doesn’t matter…

      • Riiseandshine

        He hasn’t though. Why would he? Especially after the FSG statement…makes no sense. More media bullshit

        • gegenpressing

          Maybe…every “camp” seems to be able to release whatever they want these days and Barca’s people have been lying non-stop (think they are panicky). Not something that can be hidden for long if true as hus agents will just leak a copy to the media a la VVD…

          • Riiseandshine

            If it’s true he’s a little asshole!

          • Riiseandshine

            A day before the season starts if he handed in a transfer request he’d be playing with the u23s until January..then he could fuck right off

          • gegenpressing

            Pretty sure cooler heads than that will prevail…Something will be worked out once the transfer window shuts (perhaps an even newer contract with a release clause)

        • gegenpressing

          Erm…

    • special siren

      His family member slagging us off now apparently. Cheeky shit.

      • Riiseandshine

        Leave them to it. Transfer policy from here on out should ignore South Americans and their fucking pathetic Barcelona fetish

  • MentalAndBookmarked

    well, fuck!

    • gegenpressing

      Was the logical next step, no? Expect Naby to hand in one as well. Seems like all will be ignored by the clubs…

  • special siren

    He’s handed a transfer request in according to sky. Shit.

  • Oroku-Saki

    PC10 hands in transfer request – Sky Sports

  • Srinivas

    http://1.ftb.al/zNTc/erUm7zSrwF

    Isco has a release clause at 700 mills.
    Coutinho could have it at a billion

  • Riiseandshine

    Maybe that will shut all the rags up

  • Dennis Chong

    Sometimes retaining a world class player is the same as signing one

    • gegenpressing

      Lol…would we have said that at the beginning of the transfer window though?

  • Kylian Mmmbopp

    Not quite categorically enough!
    The yanks keep the door open for following windows, jan is ajar. Next summer wide open backside

    • MentalAndBookmarked

      A wide open backside doesn’t sound too good!

    • gegenpressing

      So should they have said they are never ever going to sell him forever and ever?

  • Brighton Red

    sod it ~ does that mean my ticket for the unveiling at Camp Nou is worthless ????

  • OldFlaky

    Where is the “What are they smoking” message?

  • Superman

  • good statement just short n sweet way to say fuck off barca

  • Stan Dinaround

    Simplicity, great, now to transfer this simplicity to incomings.

    • you expect too much.

      • Stan Dinaround

        We cant all be perfect all of the time….

        • SuarezSticksIt2U_Again

          Speak for yourself.

          Every single waking moment i’m perfect . . .ly fucked up.

    • Brighton Red

      yep totally agree, incomings Stan ?? I’d be more than happy if we get just the one in VVD, time to go and put my bet on now !!

      • Stan Dinaround

        Even if we do get VVD, we are still short.. Yeah, kids have kicked on, but its the recurring injuries rather than ages that has me a tad concerned.. Seemingly though Klopp appears unmoved by it, almost like he has forgotten last season and the reasons cited for such a torrid January and February…. They dont need to be Keita and VVD prices, just players who can be relied upon to fill gaps in the CL if a Coutinho or Lallana is unavailable…. It would be great to believe Woodburn and co could do it, but its alot of pressure on ones so young… Fekir would be awesome, I would have like d Tolisso too, but Bayern bought him… We have spent too long twiddling our thimbs, and personally, It comes across as wholly unprofessional at times…We are led to believe we are serious about becoming a contender, but actions suggest otherwise…. So these next 3 weeks are going to be interesting.. Hopefully exciting and injury free…

        • gegenpressing

          Highly doubtful that Aulas would release Lacazette and Fekir in the same transfer window though…

  • Srinivas

    Thou shalt not be a dickhead!!!

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